tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972917593484183215.post839111358874473446..comments2009-11-29T18:48:29.165-08:00Comments on Excelsior: Rulers vs. LeadersChrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972917593484183215.post-69274996947655076262008-07-12T13:18:00.000-07:002008-07-12T13:18:00.000-07:00War of Revolution was unjust? Phil, don't get you...War of Revolution was unjust? Phil, don't get yourself caught saying that on the Fourth of July!<BR/><BR/>Were they, the founding fathers, wrong? I suppose, but it is a a political philosophy that I do subscribe to (hence why I'm a libertarian!). It is by no means perfect, nor intended to be perfect, but the converse of absolute rule is not acceptable.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972917593484183215.post-2521558898812295462008-07-12T12:26:00.000-07:002008-07-12T12:26:00.000-07:00I understand, but is it not possible they were wro...I understand, but is it not possible they were wrong? Perhaps the Revolutionary war was unjust?soonerfaninkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03551747880639729710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972917593484183215.post-63757872549280203132008-07-12T11:34:00.000-07:002008-07-12T11:34:00.000-07:00Phil,Read the declaration of independence. The ri...Phil,<BR/><BR/>Read the declaration of independence. The rights of individuals are guaranteed as sacrosanct to the point that if they are violated, the individuals are allowed if not compelled to take action to restore lost rights.<BR/><BR/>I'm not talking biblically or theologically here. I'm restating the positions held by our Founding Fathers, particulary Jefferson and Madison.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972917593484183215.post-81324118801783750382008-07-12T10:42:00.000-07:002008-07-12T10:42:00.000-07:00Biblically or theologically, how do you justify th...Biblically or theologically, how do you justify that one's "endowed rights" supercede the authority rulers are given by God. And what are these rights exactly?soonerfaninkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03551747880639729710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972917593484183215.post-15709114258260774152008-07-12T10:40:00.000-07:002008-07-12T10:40:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.soonerfaninkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03551747880639729710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972917593484183215.post-55818420918688242172008-07-08T18:52:00.000-07:002008-07-08T18:52:00.000-07:00Again, there is a distinction between lead and rul...Again, there is a distinction between lead and rule. We are endowed by our creator with rights which are not to be abused, certainly not by our leaders. Thus, in the minds of Jefferson and Madison, the leaders of the state are subordinate to divine rights granted to individuals, not vice versa which is found in Hobbesian Absolutism.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6972917593484183215.post-39817701414817571742008-07-08T18:08:00.000-07:002008-07-08T18:08:00.000-07:00Were the founders right that leaders do not have a...Were the founders right that leaders do not have a God-given right to rule?soonerfaninkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03551747880639729710noreply@blogger.com